Tuesday, 26 November 2024

Tuesday top tip – reasons for rejection and how to avoid (some of) them.

Editors don't generally tell us why stories (or books, poems, essays etc) are rejected. Let's face it, they don't always even send a rejection, we often have to assume that after waiting until all hope has gone. Competition judges rarely tell people why their pieces didn't win.

Because of this, we often guess at the reason. We might analyse our work and make an assumption. If we've not yet had many, or any, acceptances or competition placings, or none for a while, we might conclude the story wasn't good enough, or we're not a good enough writer to get our work accepted / win prizes. Of course that's a possibility, but there are many other reasons for rejection or not winning. These include –

Not submitting correctly.
If you don't send the work in the right format to the right place it most likely won't get considered. If you're asked for a Word doc attachment, or the text in the body of the email, or for a postal submission then do that – not assume they'll print it out themselves, or copy and paste into the format they want. Don't rely on someone in a different department sending it on to where it should have gone.

Wrong timing. If the competition is closed, or the magazine have already selected their Christmas stories before you've sent yours, then your work won't be considered.


Wrong material.
Don't send poems if stories are wanted, 2,000 words if 600 are asked for, romance when horror was requested. If your work isn't something the publication prints, or it breaks competition rules, it won't be considered.

Careful reading of the submission guidelines / competition rules and double checking you've complied with everything will help avoid rejection for the above reasons.


Wrong tone.
This is harder to get right, and more likely to apply to submissions than competition entries. Try reading a few pieces published in recent issues of the magazine, then yours – does it stand out for the wrong reasons?

There are other reasons for rejection we have little control over. The main one being that our work won't be the editor / judge's only option. However good the entries, there can only be one winner. Magazines can only publish a limited number of pieces, even if they get ten times as many perfectly good submissions. There used to be many more markets and there was never a problem getting them filled with work worth publishing. Now there are at least as many writers competing for a far smaller number of opportunities. Of course some good writing will have to be rejected. The reasons might seem, or even be, arbitrary. That same piece might get a different response elsewhere.


My first ever magazine publication was a failed competition entry. Back when reasons were given I was told the editor loved my latest submission, but had just accepted one with a similar plot detail so didn't feel able to take it (I later read that other story and although it was very different, I saw her point - and I later sold the story to another mag). One story was rejected as 'predictable' and accepted elsewhere with the comment 'great twist' even though I hadn't changed a single word.


As I said in my last post, a story which didn't make the cut for the weekly edition of a magazine was accepted for the annual. Presumably it would have been good enough for the weekly, there just wasn't space for it.

Now that reasons are rarely given for rejection, when I get a no, or the competition results are announced without my name appearing, I read the story again. It's easier to spot weaknesses at that point! If I see a way to improve it then I make the change(s) before submitting elsewhere. Often I'll need to make other changes to suit the requirements of the new competition or potential market. Sometimes I submit elsewhere with no changes at all.


What I've just used a lot of words to say, can be summed up with - don't let rejection or failure to be placed put you off, or make you think you're not good enough. Keep writing and making your work the best you're able to produce. Keep looking out for suitable markets and competitions to submit to (I'll do my best to help you there). You can give up, or take a break – but only if you actually want to. Don't stop writing simply because your efforts don't always, or haven't yet, been accepted or won a prize. That disappointment is just one aspect of being a published or prize winning writer, not an indication you don't deserve to be one of those people.

Those of you who have received rejections / failed to be placed in a competition yet also achieved success with that, or another, piece of writing, please share your experiences in the comments as encouragement to those who might need it.

One last thought – the work you don't send out won't get rejected. Neither will it get accepted. You have to risk the former in order to have any chance of seeing your work and name in print.

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17 comments:

Carolb said...

We all need these reminders, Patsy. Especially at this time of year when many writers review their year and look at how they've done ahead of planning for next year.

Marguerite said...

Sound advice, Patsy. We all need to be reminded for things we sometimes gloss over (skipping the IMPORTANT bit!). I am sure it's been mentioned before, but reading your story aloud is good (maybe a bit of a trial if it's a novel!). It can pick up repetitions and poor word order - or just the wrong word.

Sharon at A Quick Read said...

I subbed fiction to TPF for 9 years (on and off). Some stories were taken further up the line and Shirley Blair even gave feedback. But I never sold any and this year I decided enough was enough. I decided not to sub any more. I'd tried my best and none of my stories made the grade. I had several readers giving feedback, which I acted upon. In the event of a run of no sales for a long time, writers need to decide whether it's worth the time and energy to continue. Sorry to be gloomy but this is the other side of the story.

Sheelagh said...

Good advice as ever Patsy. Remember too that lots of editors choices are subjective. Personally I buy magazines to read the short stories & while I appreciate that all are well written & technically sound not all of them float my boat but that's okay. To illustrate this point I once accidentally submitted the same story twice, obviously rejected first time but accepted later on, I assume a different person did the first reading & something appealed to them that didn't to first reader. I was a bit mortified when I realised it was the same story but it also helped me to keep in mind that some of it is subjective & not to take a rejection as a personal slight on my writing.

ados123 said...

Yes, all good advice, Patsy.
Alyson

Eirin said...

More good advice, Patsy. I think we really do need to have a pretty tough hide to survive as writers, or cultivate one fast. A rejection is hurtful - there's no doubt about that - and multiple or repeated rejections can be very wounding, but it helps to be reminded that sometimes it is not the quality of the writing that's the problem; it could be elements beyond our control. The bigger the project, the harder the rejection is to deal with, I find: I have a recent complete novel for which I have been unable to secure representation or publication. And yet I am half-way through another. (Maybe I just don't know when to quit.) Sharon, your efforts have been heroic, and I completely understand your choosing to take a break. I hope you really enjoy yourself during your 'resting' season. Keep in touch! Belatedly, can I say big CONGRATS to Sheelagh on being included in the 2026 Friend annual - brilliant! And to Linda H, I would echo what Alyson H replied in an earlier post about submitting to Andrew Shaw at Woman's Weekly - as far as I can tell, he is still open to new submissions, and, although there is sometimes a lengthy gap between a provisional acceptance and actually being scheduled for publication, Andrew is clear that if you find another home for any of your stories, he is fine with you withdrawing them from his files. Sometimes a story you have had published in Woman's Weekly will be reprinted in another 'Future' publication, and there is no additional payment for this, but it goes give you a further writing credit for your CV, if that appeals to you. I would add that, at this time of year, we might think of taking out gift subscriptions to our favourite fiction-featuring magazines as presents for loved ones. Thanks again, Patsy, for keeping this blog going, and best wishes with your own current writing.

Elizabeth said...

Thanks for the great advice Patsy and for the comments by others. I love that this blog is so supportive of achievements and also recognises our unsuccessful submissions, that may just have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Congratulations to those with acceptances and to others every submission is confirmation you are a writer, hang in there. Eirin, thank you for the timely reminder about gift subscriptions, magazines need readers! Thanks again Patsy for keeping this blog going even though it must take you away from your own writing time.

Eirin said...

Quick appeal for help, here. As ALCS deadline looms, I find I am unable to find three ISSNs via the portal I have used in the past. Does anyone have the ISSNs for TPF Feel-good Fiction bookazine published summer 2024 AND/OR TPF Magic of Christmas 2024 AND/OR My Weekly? Thanks!

ados123 said...

@Eirin I used 9781845359898 for the TPF Feel-good Fiction. I put it under books and multiple authors I think.
I used 9781845359317 for The Magic of Christmas 2022 - don't know if its still the same. It may not be...
Alyson

Anonymous said...

Hi All. Having just sold one of the first stories I'd written, some eighteen years after I'd written it, and being praised for it, I'd say sometimes it just doesn't appeal to the particular editors. The story I mention has been round the block and rejected many, many, times. I've sold others with a similar history after many years so sometimes, as said, some stories need to find home with someone who 'loves them' as we do! Personally I'd never give up on a story unless you can honestly say it really is not a good story at all. Good luck to everyone.

Patsy said...

@ Carol - yes, we need to try to learn from any failures, but not let the thought of them stop us from planning for success.

@ Marguerite – The IMPORTANT bit being to make our work as good as possible, before sending it wherever it will best fit? If so, I totally agree.

Good tip, especially with dialogue.

@ Sharon – I did the same thing with PF. I subbed for years without success and gave up. Like you, I'd sold to other mags so knew I could write stories good enough to be published, I just couldn't produce anything suitable for that particular magazine.
When they started taking slightly edgier and more modern stories I tried again and was eventually successful. I've now sold them quite a few, but always have to work hard on getting the tone right. It's not my natural style.
I was right to take that break from subbing to them and I think you are too. Maybe you'll try them again, maybe not – but either way it seems clear to me that the reason you've not yet sold to them is nothing to do with the quality of your work. You write stories well worth publishing. I know because I've read them. It's just that they're not quite what PF think their readers want.


Patsy said...

@ Sheelagh - Yes, the decisions are subjective. Editors will be trying to select stories they believe their readers will enjoy, but they're bound to have personal preferences too. I've noticed a change of editor often means a change in how frequently I sell to a particular magazine.

@ Alyson - thank you.

@ Eirin - yes a thick skin is helpful!

Some rejections do hurt more than others. If we were sure a story was just right for a magazine, or if as you say it's a longer project, it's harder when we get a no.

Thanks for the info re WW.

@ Elizabeth - Unsuccessful submissions are still an achievement - not everyone finishes a story, edits and polishes it until it's as good as they can get it, researches a suitable market and gets up the nerve to send it. We should try to remember to congratulate ourselves each time we get that far.

@ Eirin - I'd try with the numbers Alyson has kindly supplied. If they're wrong someone from ALCS should contact you and usually they're very helpful in getting it sorted out.

@ Anonymous – Sometimes it's a struggle to find the right home for a story. Well done on persevering until you did!



Anonymous said...

Alyson - thanks so much for these: it hadn't occurred to me that the bookazines would fit under 'books', but of course this makes sense. And thanks to Patsy, too. Anonymous of the 18-year-publication delay - well done! Surely this must be a record!

Eirin said...

Aagh! Did it again. That last comment was from me, Eirin.

Patsy said...

@ Eirin – I think 'that last comment was me' is the blogging equivalent of 'and here's the attachment I forgot to attach' with emails.

Eirin said...

Ha! Yes, Patsy! Exactly so!

Marian said...

Thank you, Patsy, I needed to read that!